The Grand Enigma; Agnostic Absurdities?

We are all born agnostics. Agnosticism, literally means, “without knowledge.” So, the answer to the question, “What is the meaning of life?” or “Is there a God?” their answer would be, “I don’t know.” Because we begin life not knowing and only later develop notions about the possible answers, usually from our parents, I consider agnosticism as the natural default position. Not only do we come into this world not knowing, for the first part of our lives, we don’t care to know. We have too many other things on our agendas, such as learning the basics of life functioning.

I suppose all religions and some of the non-religious views on the meaning of life, believe that their view is the natural default or primary position. I know for sure that Christianity and Islam do. I’ve heard atheist say that atheism is the proper default position and religion is an artificial, baseless answer to the big questions. I, however, characterize atheism along with religions as a secondary position, agnosticism being primary.

The Christians are taught that we are born with the notion of a personal God and that the evidence of that God is so overwhelming that you have to be an idiot or immoral to not see it. They see this position supported by such Bible verses as Romans 1:18- 20:

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

This above passage was written around 58 AD. The world at that time was profoundly different from the world we live in today. Society, overwhelming believed in supernatural deities behind all the functions of nature. It was either the Jewish God, the Greco-Roman gods, or the new Christian God. It would have been very difficult to find an atheist at that time or even an agnostic. However, since then, plausible, scientific answers have been given for many of those phenomena. It is much easier today to be an atheist or agnostic than it was in 58 AD and God’s existence is no longer obvious. Unfortunately, the Church has engaged in denial or demonization of those in science who have supplied these answers, rather than celebrating these answers as knowing more about the creator via the stuff he as made.

The Church has also failed by not engaging those outside the faith who have been satisfied with the answers about nature that science gives. I have found most churches not being welcoming to us who value reason (God-given reason I may add), neither the conservative churches who see science as from the devil nor the progressive chruches who believe that God can ONLY be know through irrational spirituality.

The Christian however, and I suspect it is true with most religions, likes to continue thinking that their answer is the only one that intelligent, moral people would make. It is an ego-centric position that all cultural groups have, that their ideas are the best and those outside their ideas are evil idiots. But is simply not true. The answers given by the atheist are well thought out and are plausible. The atheists I know have reached their conclusions based on natural reason, not because of an immoral act. Many of them are more honest and have a love for truth more than myself or most of the Christians I’ve known.

Agnostics Make up Only Part of the Gray Bar

It is a little harsh to ascribe absurdities to agnostics because it has not committed to a position. You can only argue against that lack of commitment.

What is wrong with not committing to a position? I can only throw out two possible problems.

It is possible to think that living without a confident notion about the ultimate meaning to life, we being created by a higher being with a specific purpose, you will miss an important part of a quality life. Of course, the Christian and religious persons would assert this is as definitely true. However, you can make an reasonable argument that it is not. Do religious people have a better life here on earth? The atheists think not. Religion does not create an utopia here on earth as we would like to think. Don’t forget that religion has been the number one issue for strife and war for thousands of years. But a well-developed application of good religious views, in the case of Christianity, following the actual teachings of Christ (a lover of peace, all people, and truth) alone rather than subscribing the complex and often dysfunctional culture of Christianity, can offer a better life experience.

Christianity for certain has language in its Bible that if you do not believe in God, and specifically in Christ as the messiah of that God, you will not enjoy eternity with God. As a matter of fact, there is language that you will have to otherwise, endure eternal punishment. This has been the main position of the Christian Church for the past two millennia. The Church (and king) also found a great advantage for itself, using a celestial carrot (heaven) and stick (hell) to control the masses. Most conservative Christians and Muslims hold this view. It seems consistent with their notion of a just God, because they also hold the view that the rejection of their God is an issue of moral depravity, deserving such punishment.

For many of us, we wrestle with this idea of eternal punishment for nonbelievers because it is hard to imagine a just God behaving this way. However, I’m sure there are many things that we don’t like or don’t make sense to all of us, which turn out to be true. Some of us like to think of a universal application of the redemption of Christ. The reason is, knowing that there are so many people who don’t believe in the Christian God, not for morally depraved reasons, but due to culture (they live in a non-Christian culture, or in place were they have not heard of our God), or through an honest search for meaning. How fair is that? If someone sincerely searches for truth, but still gets it wrong, they should be punished for that?

You can reap two interpretations from Christianity’s most famous Bible verse, John 3:16

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

In that verse you have God loving the entire world but you also have it singling out those who believe.

Now there is the possibility that condemnation by a just God could only apply to the morally depraved people, the Hitlers, Putins, TV evangelist manipulating people for money, and politicians who destroy a country with their lies for self-gain. The Bible also alludes to the fact that the people Christians think are good aren’t the same people that God sees as good.

When I was an evangelical, the way we rationalized a good God who loved all people but would throw those people he loved into eternal hell is because he had no choice. We believed (and was at the center of Campus Crusade’s “Four Spiritual Laws” evangelism tract) that there were these universal laws that God had to obey, which stated if people sinned (a long list of behaviors that we made up that went far beyond the Ten Commandments) God had no choice but to throw them into hell unless they “accepted Christ.”

Campus Crusade’s Famous Tract

The philosophical problem with this idea of laws that God would have to adhere to, is it puts us back into the same problem the Greco-Romans had. Their gods were too small. Their gods were similar to the Marvel super heroes, who had to submit to the laws that govern them. Then who is really God? God, or the laws that govern God? And, who gave those greater laws? Not God, or he could change them.

The philosopher Blaise Pascal (1623–1662) said the following, which has been called, “Pascal’s Wager.”

Pascal contends that a rational person should adopt a lifestyle consistent with the existence of God and actively strive to believe in God. The reasoning behind this stance lies in the potential outcomes: if God does not exist, the individual incurs only finite losses, potentially sacrificing certain pleasures and luxuries. However, if God does indeed exist, they stand to gain immeasurably, as represented for example by an eternity in Heaven in Abrahamic tradition, while simultaneously avoiding boundless losses associated with an eternity in Hell. (from Wikipedia)

So, those are the honest conclusions I’ve made. This is personal to me. I became an agnostic at an early age, a closeted agnostic. I lived in the Bible belt and to say out loud that you were an agnostic, could get you hated if not killed. I retruned to agnosticism after I left evangelicalism in 1990. I found it to be an untenable position, a hard balancing act. My curious mind had to have more certainty than that. I then moved on to a serious consideration of atheism. Which I will discuss that next time.

I will rest my case on agnosticism.

Mike

13 responses to “The Grand Enigma; Agnostic Absurdities?”

  1. clubschadenfreude Avatar

    Nice post. I’m an atheist, and was a christian. I find that many christians are leaving whichever version they are in since they can’t deal with how vicious the christian god actually is per the bible, and either must invent another religion for themselves, or simply walk away from religion all together.

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  2. clubschadenfreude Avatar

    Nice post. Many christians leave the religion or invent a new version for themselves since they can’t deal with how vicious and ignorant the bible god is.

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    1. J. Michael Jones Avatar

      I only wonder if the God that you found so distasteful was the God that many Christians have re-created to satisfy their own biases and self-interest. I had some of the same reasons for leaving Christianity, but when I studied the life of Jesus, beyond the fog of American Christianity, I found the Jesus quite different than the image that the American church embraces.

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      1. clubschadenfreude Avatar

        Yep, same god, the god in your bible, that commits and commands genocide, kills people, including kids, for things they didn’t do and supports slavery.

        Each christian invents his own god, Mike. You guys can’t agree on what morals this god wants. You are as guilty of this as any other christian. It’s lovely when christians point fingers and accuse each other of not being TrueChristians(tm). Per your bible, I should be able to know which one of you has it right and surprise, not one of you can do what jesus promises to his true followers.

        and before you demand where your bible says this, you can check out these verses:

        “22 Jesus answered them, ‘Have[b] faith in God. 23 Truly I tell you, if you say to this mountain, “Be taken up and thrown into the sea”, and if you do not doubt in your heart, but believe that what you say will come to pass, it will be done for you. 24 So I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received[c] it, and it will be yours.” – Mark 11

        “Go into all the world and proclaim the good news[d] to the whole creation. 16 The one who believes and is baptized will be saved; but the one who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: by using my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes in their hands,[e] and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.’” Mark 16

        “7 ‘Ask, and it will be given to you; search, and you will find; knock, and the door will be opened for you. 8 For everyone who asks receives, and everyone who searches finds, and for everyone who knocks, the door will be opened. 9 Is there anyone among you who, if your child asks for bread, will give a stone? 10 Or if the child asks for a fish, will give a snake? 11 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good things to those who ask him!” Matthew 7

        “1 Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; but if you do not, then believe me because of the works themselves. 12 Very truly, I tell you, the one who believes in me will also do the works that I do and, in fact, will do greater works than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If in my name you ask me[e] for anything, I will do it.” John 14

        “ 7 If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask for whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. “ John 15

        “13 Are any among you suffering? They should pray. Are any cheerful? They should sing songs of praise. 14 Are any among you sick? They should call for the elders of the church and have them pray over them, anointing them with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 The prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise them up; and anyone who has committed sins will be forgiven. 16 Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, so that you may be healed. The prayer of the righteous is powerful and effective. 17 Elijah was a human being like us, and he prayed fervently that it might not rain, and for three years and six months it did not rain on the earth. 18 Then he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain and the earth yielded its harvest.” James 5

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        1. J. Michael Jones Avatar

          clubschadenfreude, thank you for coming here and your comments. You make some valid points. My first posting looking at Christian absurdities addressed a few things but could not be exhaustive because of practical reasons that people don’t typically read blogs over two pages. I may be misconstruing your point–and I am sorry if I am–but if you want to argue with me about Christianity, to borrow a term from my southern heritage, you are barking up the wrong tree. I am not here to argue with anyone, not the religious, not the non-religions. My point of this series of posts is simple. To point out that the fact we and the cosmos exist is an enigma without a clear or default answer and those who think they have the default answer, need to think about this with more honesty and with more vigor. Even if you disagree with those points, that’s fine with me. I’m not here to fight with anyone. My life is too short. I did not see a question mark in your statement, if you had a question “why is it that way?” then you deserve some explanation, but not from me and not here. But as I said, I did not see a question mark, but you stating an opinion. In all fairness, I’ve published your opinion for all who comes here to read. If you wanted to pick a fight, there are plenty of religious people on the web who would fight with you with a bloody war, but not me. Thanks again for your sincere comments that came with much thought.

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  3. kpbrown25 Avatar
    kpbrown25

    love your thoughts

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    1. J. Michael Jones Avatar

      Thanks Kevin.

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  4. Headless Unicorn Guy Avatar
    Headless Unicorn Guy

    We believed (and was at the center of Campus Crusade’s “Four Spiritual Laws” evangelism tract) that there were these universal laws that God had to obey, which stated if people sinned (a long list of behaviors that we made up that went far beyond the Ten Commandments) God had no choice but to throw them into hell unless they “accepted Christ.”

    This has a name: Socratic Atheism.

    If God has to obey “the universal laws”, then God is not God, the Universal Laws are God.

    Same with Predestination in Calvinism and Islam: If God can only Will what He is Predestined to Will, then God is not God, Predestination and Fate are.

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    1. J. Michael Jones Avatar

      As always, you have nailed it.

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  5. examinedlifenow Avatar

    The Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy defines Agnosticism as: “the view that human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify either the belief that God exists or the belief that God does not exist.” Such a complex and well-thought out position can not be proven innate (Although Locke has proven that there’s no innate idea, I don’t want to agree with him). So, proving that we are born agnostic, i.e. with an understanding of “the concept of God and/or the concept of a supernatural divine reality” is going to be very difficult indeed. It’s also true that one can’t sit on the fence when the aftermath may include the word “eternal” in it. I faced the same dilemma and am still uncertain whether I made the right choice my fellow traveller.

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  6. Jason Counce Avatar

    I like the way you think…..

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  7. Jason Counce Avatar

    I like the way the way you think……

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    1. J. Michael Jones Avatar

      Well, thanks, Jason. I’m glad someone does.

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